Saturday, April 12, 2008

• Arden vs. Gabe on homosexuality

  Gabe and I got into this interesting debate about homsexuality. Click here so you can see the source of the discussion!: http://www.xanga.com/gheyb/651092165/fab-gay-men-dont-you-just-love-em.html Arden:   haha you didnt know theyre gay? haha it is hard to tell since most of them dont act too girly. its reality: gayness is personality, there is malandi, and there is the coy, gentler type. btw, how come you dont approve on homosexuality?

  
  

  Gabe:   haha, I didnt really see it at first. If I hadnt read the title: "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy", Never would I have thought they were gay! They're just the most sophisticated gay men I ever laid my eyes on! Basically, the reason why I don't approve on homosexuality because it's a sin. Period. :)

  
  

  Arden:   hmm, pero you know homosexuality is not a choice. So basically, people are born homosexuals, so does that mean some people go to hell for who they are, and for something they have no control over? Isnt that just unfair, and if ever it is a sin, homosexuals should not have been born right from the start kung ganun lang pala. What do you think?

  
  

  Gabe: hmmm... I know that there are people saying that they born that way, but it doesn't mean they really have no control over it.  Sorry, but I don't agree that homosexuality is not a choice. We always have a choice! Some people just don't see it that way. Well, there probably is some impulse or something dictating that you are you-know-what, but you can either trigger it or stop it. Feeling lang ng iba hindi nila kaya kasi madali silang nag-gigive in. I know that it's hard, yes. But if you really have firm spiritual beliefs, you wouldn't fall for small things like that because you know what is right and what is not. Life's that way... it's all a matter of choice. :) This is just my opinion. Ü     Arden: hehe well youve got a point. my question now is, why did it become a sin in the first place? Gabe: Homosexuality is a sin because the Bible says that it is... I've read books in the Bible pertaining to homosexuality as a sin... But I don't know exactly where to find them that's why I looked for them in the Net. Don't worry, I checked the Bible and the quoted scriptures are reliable... :) The Bible consistently tells us that homosexual activity is a sin (Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). Romans 1:26-27 teaches specifically that homosexuality is a result of denying and disobeying God. When a person continues in sin and disbelief, the Bible tells us that God “gives them over” to even more wicked and depraved sin in order to show them the futility and hopelessness of life apart from God. 1 Corinthians 6:9 proclaims that homosexual “offenders” will not inherit the kingdom of God. God does not create a person with homosexual desires. The Bible tells us that a person becomes a homosexual because of sin (Romans 1:24-27), and ultimately because of their own choice. A person may be born with a greater susceptibility to homosexuality, just as people are born with a tendency to violence and other sins. That does not excuse the person choosing to sin by giving into their sinful desires. If a person is born with a greater susceptibility to anger / rage, does that make it right for then to give into those desires? Of course not! The same is true for homosexuality. However, the Bible does not describe homosexuality as a “greater” sin than any other. All sin is offensive to God. Homosexuality is just one of the many things listed in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 that will keep a person from the kingdom of God. According to the Bible, God’s forgiveness is just as available to a homosexual as it is to an adulterer, idol worshipper, murderer, thief, etc. God also promises the strength for victory over sin, including homosexuality, to all those who will believe in Jesus Christ for their salvation (1 Corinthians 6:11; 2 Corinthians 5:17). btw, why are you so interested on this? wala lang... curious lang. Ü Arden: haha wala lang. ive been in debate last summer, and we have tackled things like this, and plus its basically me not being fully content to what people tell me. I like the article above saying that: (aba aba, hindi ko ma copy! ang galing haha! anti plagiarism?) it is the same with other sin, same case as to succeptibility, and that does not excuse them for indulging themselves over their identity. that really gave me a new insight. parang with kleptos, kahit born silang ganon, they have no right to further be kleptos, and perhaps that is their major cross they have to bear. Thanks for that. So anyway, I am still a little fuzzy on how they are considered as sin. my teacher tells us that they defy the complementary nature of love and relationships. But this certain concept of it being ideal (man+woman) is merely human conceived. This idea that gays are evil are just human society dictating these things for their own sake, and not directly from GOD saying: "gays are evil!!". Ok, lets say that it is in the bible, that homosexuality is a sin. Let us remember that the Bible was compiled by the Nicean (not sure of the spelling though) creed: a HUMAN council on what to put in the Bible. SO, isnt it possible that it being wirtten in the Bible as a sin was for the then active council's protection of their own rights for whatever reason, or nurturing their disgust and personal opinions? Furthermore, i think that all anti-homosexuality Bible passage were written in the Old Testament. I believe I can finally consider it a sin when there is evidence of it being a sin as said by Jesus, or as wirtten in the New Testament, and also if they can justify why IT is evil, when in fact there are no violations of people's right or livelyhood. So in a nutshell, I still believe that homosexuality being a sin is merely from society's disgust. If only someone asked Jesus when he was still alive if ever it is evil, then all would be in peace. Or maybe there were really a case of someone asking Him, but was actually cut off from the BIBLE, or was not documented at all. Its possible right? PS: I think I might post our little debate in my blog. :) Gabe: ideal are made by us, human beings. But they are somehow influenced by a lot of factors like spirituality (which I think made big chunks of contributions to this, hehe) and the like, right? I must say, you really made a good point there. Hehe. Oh yeah... If we only know what God thinks about this so that the debates on this will be over... Unfortunately, nobody knows the way He thinks and that's what makes Him God. :) Phew! Ang haba ng ating debate! Hahaha! Sabi na nga ba eh, you're into debates! You remind me of a close friend of mine, hehe. But at least, we've made our points clear. Thanks for sharing your insights! It's a good thing that you're not easily contented with what you hear from people... :) As a Christian, the Holy Bible is my basis on every little thing I believe in. It also serves as my guide in living this crazy life that I have(though there are times when I give in to temptations, hehe). Let's say there may be possibilities that the First Council of Niceae did inject personal opinions on the Bible... Pero di ba wala namang nakasulat sa Bibliya na ikasasama ng kahit sino? The Holy Bible is the one that leads us to the right path --- the path away from sin which will lead us to eternal life. Ü Oo nga pala, my blog is a no right click site. May mga contents kasi yung blog ko before na ayaw kung pakopya... Mas malala nga yung dati kong ginawa dito eh! yeah... sort of an anti-plagiarism strategy... Haha! By the way, feel free to post what we've talked about this on your blog. Ü PS. Mag-UP ka na lang! haha! ;p

  Edit: My teacher also said that what is evil is Homosexual acts, not preference. But again, why is it a sin? Is anyone really getting harmed, when in fact teh define sin as those acts that contradict the authentic freedom of human kind. Its not consistent, and for me, purely subjective judgement. They also said that it defies the sanctity of sex and its holiness. I really think that the Church is the only one that says it is sacriligious to the holiness of sex, their own concept of "ideal". Its only my opinion though.

  Haha defintely learned a lot! :) Just hoped I didnt irritate her by questioning too much.

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