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Monday, December 27, 2004

 Tuesday's Pithy Pondering (1 day early)

I've been reading some comments and discussions in several places recently on the subject of acceptance of sin in the lives of other people: of Christians looking down on "sinners" and telling them they are not good enough. The argument goes that we should not tell someone that their cussing is wrong, that their drinking or smoking is wrong, that their sexual sin is wrong, that their lying is wrong. We should just "love" them and accept them as they are, for after all none of us is perfect. One of the examples given was King David who God describes in Scripture (Acts 13:22) as a man after His own heart. Yet David became an adulterer and murderer. It can be argued from the context of the verse in Acts that God was calling David a man after His heart when He raised him up as King but then David fell away and out of God's favor. This argument falls apart however when we see David in the list of the faithful in Hebrews 11. So how can a murdeous adulterer be a great man of faith after God's own heart?

Not to sound like a former President of the USA, but it all depends on what "after" is. The Greek word translated here as after is kata (Strong's 2596). It most often indicates a journey in a downward direction. I know, I know, how could God's heart be a downhill journey for a man !?! Hang in here with me. It can also mean the position of an object oriented toward a particular direction - facing, toward (from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright (c) 1988 United Bible Societies, New York.) I believe what God was saying about David was not that he was holy LIKE God, but that he was SEEKING God. He was oriented toward God and this IS a downhill direction for a man because our pride lifts us up in our own esteem and makes us want to find our own way. It makes us believe, in essence, that we are more powerful than God and say "I don't need you God, I can handle this on my own." To put it more simply, David was a man who sought and tried to follow god's will.

Did he always succeed? No. In fact he failed spectacularly. When he failed and fell into sin, was he just loved and accepted by the godly people around him? Again no. 2 Samuel chapter 12 recounts what happened when Nathan found out what David had done:

12:1 And the LORD sent Nathan unto David. And he came unto him, and said unto him, There were two men in one city; the one rich, and the other poor.
2 The rich man had exceeding many flocks and herds:
3 But the poor man had nothing, save one little ewe lamb, which he had bought and nourished up: and it grew up together with him, and with his children; it did eat of his own meat, and drank of his own cup, and lay in his bosom, and was unto him as a daughter.
4 And there came a traveller unto the rich man, and he spared to take of his own flock and of his own herd, to dress for the wayfaring man that was come unto him; but took the poor man's lamb, and dressed it for the man that was come to him.
5 And David's anger was greatly kindled against the man; and he said to Nathan, As the LORD liveth, the man that hath done this thing shall surely die:
6 And he shall restore the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing, and because he had no pity.
KJV


Now Nathan lowers God's boom on David:

7 And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;
8 And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.
9 Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.
10 Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife.
11 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.
12 For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.
13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.
14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.
KJV

Notice, in verse 13, after David confessed his sin, God put away David's sin. He forgave him. He would not die. (Since David is not walking among us today it is important to understand death. Death is simply a separation, and there are two types of death. Physical death is separation of the soul from the body. Spiritual death is the separation of the soul from God. As my Pastor would say, that was a freebie, no extra charge) BUT THE PUNISHMENT STOOD! There are always consequences of sin. God doesn't just look the other way when we sin. Nathan didn't just accept David's sin. He confronted him. And think about it. As king, David had the power to kill anyone he wanted to, and had already demonstrated his willingness to do so. Nathan wasn't just going to maybe lose a friend by confronting him and telling him his sin was wrong. He could very well lose his life!

But that was old testament right?. In the new testament it's all warm fuzzies and forgiveness right? Let's read 1 Corinthians chapter 5:

5:1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father's wife. 2 And you are proud! Shouldn't you rather have been filled with grief and have put out of your fellowship the man who did this? 3 Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present. 4 When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord.

6 Your boasting is not good. Don't you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough? 7 Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast-as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8 Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth.

9 I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people- 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."  
NIV

Whoa! Judging and handing over to Satan and not associating with degenerates who call themselves brothers. That's not very Chritlike! Actually it is extremely Christlike. Who did Jesus condemn and vilify? The Pharisees and the religous leaders who made a SHOW of being righteous and holy but were actually no such thing.(Matt 23:23-33: Luke 11:39-52:Luke 18:9-14) He condemned their hypocricy. The word of God (1 Cor 5:2) tells us that we should grieve over a person who has fallen into sin and put him out of our fellowship instead of being inclusive and understanding. This is the loving thing to do. The goal is given in verse 5; that he might realize his sin, come to repentance, and his spirit might be saved. If no one tells him he is wrong how can he repent? How can he change his course from one that leads to destruction to one that leads to life? Notice that it refers in verse 11 to one who CALLS himself a brother. The implication I believe is clear. There are people who call themselves Christian who are not. We are told to tell people who are not believers, not Christians, about Jesus. We are to tell them to repent, turn away from their sinful lifestyles and accept Jesus as Lord and Savour. This is the Great Commission of Matthew 28:19-20, Acts 1:8 There's a great anti drug commercial on TV now. It shows two teenage bike riders. One has fallen in the middle of the road and hurt himself. He's curled up on the pavement, holding his leg and writhing in pain. The other one is just standing there looking at him. We see an 18 wheeler bearing down on them. The one standing looks up and sees the truck. Then he looks back at his friend but does nothing. The voice over then says something to the effect of "If you saw a friend in trouble you'ld say something....wouldn't you?" What is the loving thing to do in that situation? Be accepting of the other guys problem or to help him out of the trouble?

Do you remember WHY David was punished? "2 Sam 12:14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme" By accepting sin in our churches we give the same occasion. The lost look at the church and see no difference in their lives and ours so who needs God and His church? Why waste a Sunday morning if I can drink and smoke and cuss and fornicate and lie just like the "Christians" in church? As Christians we are to be different than the rest of the world. We are Christ's ambassadors. When we are saved there should be a change:

 Eph 4:20-5:20

20 You, however, did not come to know Christ that way. 21 Surely you heard of him and were taught in him in accordance with the truth that is in Jesus. 22 You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23 to be made new in the attitude of your minds; 24 and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.
25 Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to his neighbor, for we are all members of one body. 26 "In your anger do not sin": Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, 27 and do not give the devil a foothold. 28 He who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with his own hands, that he may have something to share with those in need.
29 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. 32 Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.

Ephesians 5

5:1 Be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children 2 and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
3 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people. 4 Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. 5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person-such a man is an idolater-has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.   6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7 Therefore do not be partners with them.
8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light 9(for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) 10 and find out what pleases the Lord. 11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. 13 But everything exposed by the light becomes visible, 14 for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said:
"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
15 Be very careful, then, how you live-not as unwise but as wise, 16 making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil. 17 Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord's will is. 18 Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit. 19 Speak to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. Sing and make music in your heart to the Lord, 20 always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
NIV

Folks, it boils down to this: If you say you have accepted Jesus as Lord and Savour but your life is no different now than it was before then you should probably reevaluate whether you have truly accepted him. When we accept Jesus he writes his commandments on our hearts. Keeping them is now an internal desire instead of an imposition by an outside force (the Law). Will a cigarette send you to hell? No (It just makes you smell like you've already been there!) Will a drink of alcohol? No. Will saying I don't care what God says, I'm going to do it anyway? Yep.

One last verse:

John 14:20-21
 21 Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him." 
KJV


Do you keep His commands? If not,  you don't love him. His words ... not mine.
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Oh, by the way, you need to read "Be Intolerant" by Ryan Dobson. I have it.
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Excellent. For those who do not know, Steve is Deacon, Adult Sunday School teacher, and sometimes preacher.
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Ok, I finally got time to read it. it was all very good, with great expalnations.

Do you remember WHY David was punished? "2 Sam 12:14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme" By accepting sin in our churches we give the same occasion. The lost look at the church and see no difference in their lives and ours so who needs God and His church? Why waste a Sunday morning if I can drink and smoke and cuss and fornicate and lie just like the "Christians" in church? As Christians we are to be different than the rest of the world. We are Christ's ambassadors. When we are saved there should be a change:

This part really jumped out at me, because of an ongoing discusion with some old friends is that when you are a christian, you shouldn't have to tell anybody, they well know it by the way you act.  Because I have several relatives that we have tried to get involved in church, but from their point of view I can see why they don't. because the only way the "church" crowd acts different from them is to conden them and say what all they are doing wrong. I have seen it go as far as pointing out "hey you do the same thing as me" and the response is "Yeah but I'm forgiven" and My question is How? can you be forgiven of something you consialy do that you know is wrong.

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