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Monday, August 07, 2006

 

Aug. 5, 2006, 6:54PM
Colorado gay rights debate goes to dogs
Born Different ads feature mooing puppy; other group counters with its own furry mascot

COLORADO SPRINGS, COLO. - The forlorn face of Norman, the mooing puppy, is all over this town.

The brown-and-white spaniel mopes through five TV ads and a movie trailer.

His silhouette decorates banners and billboards and city buses.

And every afternoon, a posse of young men wearing blue "let the puppy moo" T-shirts hits the streets to ask locals what they think of Norman's plight.

Norman is a puppy like any other, except he was born mooing instead of barking. Or so goes the plot of a quirky new gay-rights campaign.

By telling Norman's story — his struggle to change, his longing for acceptance, his confusion about why he is the way he is — Born Different aims to get people thinking about what it means to be gay.

Norman's star turn is funded with a $900,000 grant from the Gill Foundation, a Denver nonprofit that supports gay rights.

Norman is appearing exclusively in Colorado Springs, a town often associated with the religious right because it's home to the group Focus on the Family.

Organizers insist Norman's not pushing a political agenda; he just wants to spark discussion.

But the campaign fits with a broader strategy by gay-rights activists to step up public outreach in search of support for same-sex marriage.

Opponents see the puppy as an effective political tool.

"We're almost jealous," said Gary Schneeberger, a spokesman for Focus on the Family.

That group recently unleashed its own furry mascot — Sherman — to argue that Norman has it all wrong. The result is almost a parody of clashing claims. Norman's Web site, borndifferent.org, features the tale of "gay penguins" in New Zealand. Sherman's no-moo-lies.com counters with the "ex-gay" penguins of New York.

"Sure, making a dog sound like a cow is cute, but messing with marriage, the building block of civilized societies, is not," the Web site warns.

During a recent lunch hour, Norman's handlers stationed themselves outside a downtown Starbucks to try to start a conversation about gay rights. Several men and women brusquely brushed past, their faces registering disapproval. But at least a dozen residents stopped to talk — and to reflect.

Sharon Ragghianti, a 51-year-old nurse, told the activists that she considers homosexuality "an aberration ... not the way God made us."

"When did you choose to be straight?" Travis Nuckolls asked.

Ragghianti hesitated. "I didn't choose it. I was born that way," she said.

Perhaps, she added, sexual orientation was inborn for gays and lesbians as well.

Ragghianti said there was no chance a mooing puppy would soften her opposition to same-sex marriage. But she did credit Norman with a thought-provoking campaign.

"The more people talk about it," she said, "the more it's going to have an influence."

Lev 18:22.....22 "'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.  NIV

Lev 20:13.....13 "'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman , both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.  NIV

EDIT Tuesday: I should have added this yesterday. The argument put forth here is that people don't choose to be straight or gay. They say God made gays gay. Hogwash. The Bible says God made a helper for man. It was a woman, not another man.

Gen 2:18-24

18 The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."

19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.

But for Adam no suitable helper was found. 21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

23 The man said, "This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called 'woman,'
for she was taken out of man."

24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.  NIV

It was God's plan - the picture he was painting - for a man and woman to be joined together as a couple. He even planned it right down to the perfect way male and female bodies fit together. He did not design  men to fit like that. Or women to each other. It is those puppies who want to moo who are messing up God's perfect picture.

TRIPLES with EMMA
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And furthermore . . . (yes, that's a link). :yes:
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Thank you, Carolyn. I decided I would go ahead and print that here:

Romans 1:18-32 (New Living Translation) Gods Anger at Sin  18But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who push the truth away from themselves.[a] 19For the truth about God is known to them instinctively.[b] God has put this knowledge in their hearts. 20From the time the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky and all that God made. They can clearly see his invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse whatsoever for not knowing God.

    21Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. The result was that their minds became dark and confused. 22Claiming to be wise, they became utter fools instead. 23And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people, or birds and animals and snakes.

    24So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. 25Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen.

    26That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. 27And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved.

    28When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. 29Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. 30They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. 31They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. 32They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.

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Long night... please be praying!

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Ok....I will.
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Dropping in to say hello and see how you were doing!

Have a great evening

Kim:sunny:

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The passage in Romans has always intrigued me.

Since you posted the NLT, I wanted to check out the NASB verstion, but my Bible is out in my car, and long story short I went and grabbed my Dad's Bible, which is as rich a repository for insightful notes as you'll find anywhere. He notes on v. 24-26: "Because they rejected God, he allowed it."

This is the intriguing part. Note that in the description here of the consequences of sin, they exist only because God "allows" it ("gave them over") when you reject God. The passage is the ultimate description of the depravity of man, of which homosexual activity is only a part, albeit a major one, since it is the "ultimate distortion of God's plan for civilization." At the same time, Paul lists the remaining nature that God allows (vs. 28-32).

Paul hits home in chapter 2, though: "Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things."

He got me with: greed, envy, strife, deceit, malice, gossip, insolence, arrogance, and boastfulness. Yikes.

In other words, we're all depraved. Until God steps in. Not Buddha, not Creflo Dollar, not Bill Clinton, not "pro-family legislation." God. The whole point of Romans is that only the righteousness of God can change behavior, including homosexuality. Yes, this means I believe gay people can "become straight." Or celibate. At the same time, a change in behavior is not a condition for salvation (Rom. 4:4-5). This does not mean, however, that we should not expect church members not to engage in this type of behavior (I Cor. 5:13)

Legalizing gay marriage or civil unions (or keeping them prohibited, or not requiring them but allowing them) will not change one thing. Those who reject God will always live in sin. However, what "the world" does is not the concern of the church. It is up to God to deal with them (again, I Cor. 5:13).
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Amen! 

Loved the wedding pics. by the way.  Looking forward to seeing more.

~Blessings~
   Paula

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However, what "the world" does is not the concern of the church. It is up to God to deal with them (again, I Cor. 5:13).

I was pretty much with you right up until the end. I think that it does concern the church. We are the light to the world. We must set an example. And by that, I mean not only do we have to live it, but we cannot allow the country to be drug further down by those who would legalize this type of behavior. We would not allow murder to be legalized, just because the sinful nature of a murderer is not the concern of the church, but God. The same is true with this type of sin. Both are God's laws.

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Cindy,

Who said I didn't jiggle when I try to practice the belly dancing moves, :laugh::lol::laugh::lol: I might frighten more than intice my husband :laugh::lol::laugh: Well, with that disturbing thought, I better go. God bless.

Cynthia:)

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I was pretty much with you right up until the end.

Even my triple-negative? I was right proud of that one. :lol:

We would not allow murder to be legalized, just because the sinful nature of a murderer is not the concern of the church, but God.

True, but we have to look at why murder is illegal. As Christians, we recognize the fact that mankind is created in the image of God and God therefore demands an accounting for the life of man (Gen 9:5-6).

The secular justification (Rom. 13) is different. Otherwise, there would be no debate about abortion, homosexuality, drugs, etc. Society criminalizes actions we feel are morally or socially wrong for the purpose of eliminating that activity at the margin. Since civil enforcement is a scarce resource, we have to economize our application of it. Therefore, society prioritizes undesirable activities and only pursues those at the top of the list.

So here lies the rub: as The Church, the behavior of those who reject God is not our cocern, but as fellow citizens (again, Rom. 13), it is definitely our concern, fromt he standpoint of influencing what society deems as undesirable enough to prosecute.

Yes, the conveniently lays the responsibility upon each individual, rather than on Church Leaders, which in my opinion is a good thing. Personally, I don't agree with the criminalization of many things (homosexuality, most white-collar crimes, drugs, etc), simply because enforcement of those laws is not effective (whereas laws against violent crime especially have a noticable deterrent effect and should be more vigoroulsy pursued once resources are freed by decriminalizing other things). I find them all to be morally repugnant, and I will always try to convince others not to do those things, but I don't believe criminalization will change their behavior. Only Jesus can do that.

I hope I cleared up my view on that. I wrote the first reply rather late at night, so you have to take it with a grain of salt. :spinning:
Posted 8/8/2006 8:20 AM by MrParadox Xanga True Member - reply

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so you have to take it with a grain of salt.  :laugh:

Where we differ is in whether or not a law should be made against those things. I believe we should have laws against them, whether or not it changes anybody. You're right - only Jesus can change them. However, if we do not make them illegal, then we have, in effect, condoned that behavior. It doesn't matter if we have the resources to pursue those practicing the behavior or not. We also don't have the resources to ticket every red light runner or speeder, but it's still illegal. We CAN pursue it, if need be.

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Something else....I do not believe we should make laws with the intention of trying to change the behavior anyway. I believe we should make laws to punish. Pure and simple.
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I believe we should make laws to punish.

I agree. Punishment is simply making the costs exceed the benefits of a given activity, i.e., compensating for the marginal external costs of an action. :goodjob:

I, however, see very few external costs to homosexual behavior (plenty of private costs, though).

We also don't have the resources to ticket every red light runner or speeder

That's because we're not using our resources efficiently (i.e., prosecuting recreational drug users more hashly than speeders). :lookaround:


I like the edit you put in the post. We're kind of chasing a rabbit (but it's a fun one). The "discussion" the gay rights group wants to "have" is disingenuous anyway. The only way to have a "discussion" is for each side to consider (not accept) the possibility that the other side might have a point. But if a Bible-believing Christian even considers the validity of the other side, they lose automatically. It allows the gay-rights movement to portray Christians as holding on to disproven ideas without actually disproving them. But it's great PR. :rolleyes:
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I had not heard of the mooing puppy- thanks for the article!:goodjob:
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But it's great PR.   Got that right. :goodjob: So is dividing Christians over whether or not it is scriptural/unscriptural to be gay :mad:  The "churches" that accept homosexuality and say "live and let live" or "their bedroom is none of our business" or something along the lines of "it's not loving of us to keep two loving people apart".....gggrrrrrr....they just aggravate the fire out of me.
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The "churches" that accept homosexuality ... just aggravate the fire out of me.

:yes:

I Corinthians 11:19 (my favorite verse). :goodjob:

I think this is why Baptists (Southern Baptists escpecially) have been so zealous in guarding against this type of thinking (we expelled two churches in GA a few years back for teaching this).

The odds are very good that no matter where you go, a Southern Baptist church will not be preaching that sort of foolishness.
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Southern Baptist church will not be preaching that sort of foolishness.

:goodjob:  Amen!

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