Tuesday, March 25, 2008

  • Hell Yes Or Hell No: Observations on an Over-Emphasized Biblical Doctrine

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    -Hell does not occur within the Pauline Corpus. In other words, Paul’s gospel is not proclaimed with the threatening backdrop of Hell looming over his hearers. It is the kindness of God that leads to repentance. The closest Paul gets is ‘eternal condemnation’ in Galatians. And even this is threatened to those who actively oppose the gospel. It is not related to those who do so in ignorance.

     

    -Peter doesn’t use our normal Gk. word for Hell. He employs the Gk. mythological term. I’m not sure what significance to draw from this quite yet. I’ll get back with you on this one.

     

    -The Gospels are the prime employers of Hell terminology, along with Revelation of course. In the Gospels, Hell language is primarily metaphorical (though, this obviously doesn’t suggest there isn’t a ‘real’ place.). This is even more so the case with Revelation – in apocalyptic literature, symbolism rules the day. It is probable, then, that Hell is not a place burning with fire. Burning and gnashing of teeth are metaphorical ways of referring to punishment.

     

    -In the Gospels, Hell is not reserved for the unbeliever who has never heard. Hell is reserved for those who have heard and should have known better.

     

    - Assuming the traditional reading of I Peter’s reference to Hell, Jesus descends into Hell to preach to people who are there. But why? Is it possible that, as CS Lewis hints at, Christ’s offers of salvation are made even to people in Hell? There seem to be no clear texts indicating either direction – though we certainly have traditional understandings that are offended by this suggestion.

     

    -In Revelation Hell is a place where Fallen Babylon will end up – the world system of opposition to God. This is not a system ignorant of God – this is the Roman Empire who actively stood against Christians and persecuted them.

     

    -Hell is never threatened to ignorant unbelievers. It is always to those who actively oppose the gospel (the Rome Empire, the antagonists in the Gospels).

     

    -Hell is not an OT concept. Sorry KJV readers of the Psalms, Sheol is not Hell. Sheol is the place of the dead. All people went there in OT theology. Hell does not develop in Jewish theology until the Intertestamental period. Most scholars agree that it developed because Israel was in Exile while believing also in a God of justice. That is, in this life in Exile they could not see how justice was going to prevail, but because they believed in a God of justice, they took hold of this idea of Hell which essentially said, “Though we do not see justice in this life, we will see it in the next.” The concept actually appeared first in the pagan religions Israel interacted with during their Exile.

     

    Maybe we should rethink our evangelical doctrines of Hell to include these observations. Maybe our zeal for evangelism and dramatic conversion has blinded us to what the Bible actually says about Hell. Did I miss anything? And I swear if anyone accuses me of being Emergent or Universalist just because of this post I will gouge their eye out with a spoon!

Comments (16)

  • vangelicmonk

    Good subject and good questions.  I agree with you that there is no doubt about the existence of Hell in scripture, but I do agree it is debatable as to what happens to those have not heard the gospel and die. 

    First, as for the concept of Sheol.  There was various ideas during the Old Testament period.  Some of the ideas would correspond with the idea of hell and some of them that would correspond with the idea of "Abraham's Bosom."  I do not think it is beyond contemplation that Sheol is a shadow of Hell.

    I think there are scriptures that point to the fact that unbelievers will face Hell, but there isn't any scripture that blantantly states this.  Scirptures like Revelations 20:13-14 and 21:8 and Romans 1:18-32 (as the death talked about could be the physical death, but I think it really means spiritual death in that all people face physical death even believers, but the hope is in the resurrection). 

    Finally, since scripture is pretty silent on the issue I think one has to be careful to how and what degree the speculate on an it.  I think it would not be good to use silence as a basis to radically change missiology.  If one takes it to it's logical conclusion one could think that it is best to leave in total spiritual darkness because they may avoid hell.

  • Chicken_Pax

    @vangelicmonk - One could think that I suppose but only after aggressively ignoring the bringing of light, healing, truth and love to a broken world and after rendering the Good News into a simple reflexive response to the binary bad news.

    "Hell does not occur within the Pauline Corpus" That blows me away! I did not not know that. I guess I'd assumed that he did with my received über-Reformed gloss

  • vangelicmonk

    @Chicken_Pax - That is a false dichotomy if I ever heard one.  So one cannot bring the light and healing of the Good News to the world if they bring forth a teaching (a debatable teaching) of hell (an essential part of the NT) and wants to be bring a balanced teacing of hell as it is taught in Scripture (never perfect, but what Christian or ministry is perfect)?  That is ridiculous.  Please do not project your bad fundamentalist Baptist experiences and their teachings to every Evangelical Christian. 

  • Beloved_Shepherd

    Technicality: Hell was created for Satan anbd his angels; also included (said in your best game-show host voice), those you mentioned.  Come on in.

    With symbolism winning the day in apocalyptic lit., annihilationism looks pretty tenable, but I'm not doing cartwheels over it...yet.

    I've been leading to Easter (and concluding with what resurrection actually means this past Sunday) by discussing salvation in terms of emphasizing this life as opposed to the next one (see one of my previous posts where I posit that American Christianity today, especially within the SBC, is an amalgam of gnosticism and Platonic philosophy).  The paradigm is wholly eschatological.  To borrow Wright's language, we anticipate the future kingdom by appropriating it in the present.  Live in the tension of the already/not yet by acting as if we are resurrected beings: Easter people that are no longer under the bondage of sin.

    But what of those who are not resurrected with Christ?  (Now or in the future?)  Places like the first half of Colossians make me want to think that Paul might have been a universalist, but anybody who knows Paul knows that that bird just won't fly. 

    Going back to the symbolic world, if we look at Hell not solely as location but as a representative idea, then the picture comes more into focus.  Hell is eternal punishment not because it is Hell but because it is eternal separation from God. 

    Not that I have it all figured out...I'd appreciate your feedback.  On the practical level, I don't "evangelize" in terms of "Where ya goin' when ya die, brother?"  I try to stick to the story of cursed creation being reclaimed under God's rescue mission through Christ (again, more Wright).  Yeah, I stick out like a sore thumb in southwest, SBC-ruled Missouri. 

  • theotica

    it being easter, resurrection has been on the mind....  here's what i've been thinking:  jesus raises jairus's daughter, the widow's son, and lazarus without securing any kind of confession from them before they died (this is especially true for the widow's son who was personal unknown to jesus before their chance encounter).  in death they made the "decision" to follow Jesus back to life.  jesus made an appeal to the dead that resulted in their resurrection which is a privilege the NT assigns to "believers."  while i realize that these pre-passion resurrections may fall into weird territory, they were definitely performed as demonstrations of eternal life available through Christ.  as such, i think they bring a challenge to the whole decide-before-your-dead doctrine.  have you got anything on that tom, exceeding your peter I comments?


    ^as to hell being "an essential part of the NT" vangelicmonk, tom's post convincingly tanks that position.
  • theotica

    @Beloved_Shepherd - man, if you haven't read lacoste yet, now is the time. he's all about the pre-eschatological interim.

  • vangelicmonk

    @theotica - I do not think Tom's post is all that convincing in that it is basically snippits of NT genre generalizations in the context of a specific subject.  Nevertheless, what I meant by "essential" is the Hell (it's existence within Christian Theology based on the NT) cannot be denied.  Aspects of it is debatable, but it's existence within Christian orthdoxy is not.

  • Widows_and_Ravens
  • anonymous

    Just a note: Hell is conspicuously absent from many of the historic Christian Creeds as well (including the Nicene).  It is included (in English) in the Apostles' Creed and the Athanasian Creed, but the Roman Catholic Church is keen to point out that this reference is identical to the Hebrew concept of Sheol and the Greek concept of Hades - a place of the dead and NOT a burning lake of fire).

    That being said, however, I have yet to see an orthodox (as defined by the Nicene and Apostles' Creeds) denomination not hold a pretty traditional view of hell (someone might be able to correct me).  Regardless, judgement is in the historic creeds, and I think this is what needs to be emphasized.

    Random comment: I live with a bunch of universalists (literally), and if God is a universalist, I wouldn't mind.  Why would that be bad?

  • TheFuerstShallBeLast

    @vangelicmonk -

    Thanks, and I agree. I'm certainly not trying to change missiology. I want to re-think Hell in a way that liberates us from our convoluted post-Great Awakening scare tactics. so, as for 'snippetting' NT genre's on a specific subject - you're right - i've done it! But I would also like to point out that those who counter my observations here have a longer history of doing just that with this subject.

    thanks for your thoughts!

  • TheFuerstShallBeLast

    @Beloved_Shepherd -

    Great thoughts, man. I hadn't ever thought of some of that. I wonder if you could shed some light on Revelation 14 where the flames of Hell are burning "in the presence of God and his hold angels." It kind of makes me think that Hell is in the presence of God - a more CS Lewis"y" thought.

  • TheFuerstShallBeLast

    @theotica - by "anything" do you mean something like I Cor. 15 where Paul speaks favorably of the Corinthians baptizing themselves for the dead?

  • TheFuerstShallBeLast

    @caleb -

    Depends, Do you think the justice nature of God would be hindered by a universalism position? 

  • theotica

    @TheFuerstShallBeLast -  yes, i suppose that will do nicely.

  • vangelicmonk

    @TheFuerstShallBeLast - I understand what you are saying about the "scare tactics."  Some use it too much or only use it in preaching and ministering to others.  I think this goes with the atonement issue (an issue not just for today, but struggled with between Augustine, Abelard, and Aquinas) in which the multi-fascited representations and appeals of His sacrifice toward unbelievers who are not homogenous in their thoughts and views.  I know some who have come to a saving faith due to a sermon on hell. 

    Fear is not a bad thing. In fact it is a rational emotion that helps us from danger (fight or flight).  However, to use exclusive scare tactics is not good either (whether for justification or sanctification).  That is more cultish than a loving obediance. 

    I think you are right in that Evangelicals should catch these nuances of Scripture that put into question the total and perfect perpescutiy on some doctrines, but the reaction should not be a total avoidance of what scripture seems to point toward (even if it isn't laid out in detail).   

  • anonymous

    @TheFuerstShallBeLast - 

    I think a Western, penal, and retributive system of justice/righteousness (i.e. how our American justice system operates) would be offended, but I don't think God necessarily operates under that system of justice/righteousness.  I'm not a universalist by any means, but I don't think God's righteousness/justice would be thwarted if he allowed repentance after death.

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