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Monday, November 22, 2004

 Thanks, everybody!  I very much appreciate the thoughtful replies.  You have all helped me to look at this situation more deeply. 

I agree that by turning around and donating Grandma's toys under her nose would be a mean thing to do.  That is an expression of her love.  I don't think I would do that, but in the hour of deepest frustration, desperate acts like that look pretty darn good!

We have tried giving her ideas for things to buy in the past, and even whole catalogs  with earmarked items that we would really like.  This works well with my dad, who loves being spared the energy of figuring out what the kids like.  But with my mom....there are some deeper issues at work that you all are helping me to think about more. 

She is an impulse buyer.  Usually she has no intention of buying stuff for the kids when she enters a store. As she puts it, "I went in to buy toilet paper, and came out with two carts full of toys.."

. She doesn't ask me or the kids what the kids would like.    I think she would say that she simply doesn't have the time to consider what to buy them beforehand, as her work schedule keeps her otherwise occupied, and physically unable to shop very often.  So she takes from what she sees on the shelves when she does get to shop.  I guess some people would call that "shopping in the moment", others might call it "reactionary shopping"  But it is always done in "binge style".  Also, I think she sees the holidays as a time for fun, fun, fun..not about "educational" things.  "educational" supplies, to her, have no place under the Christmas tree.  And you can't find those things on the toy shelves at Wal-Mart. 

And there is something about her upbringing that makes a connection between money and love.  There are many examples of it in my upbringing and in what she recalls of her own childhood and life as a mother of young children. 

I think part of the problem is that our notions are in opposite corners.  SHe has the notion that money equals love.  I have the notion that money spent on too much stuff is overindulgence, the dread epidemic of our culture, and a root of addictions and unhappiness..  It's hard to find a middle ground there.

But I believe that you are all right...I won't get her to stop buying, so I might as well steer her to  more beneficial things.  Even if we don't really need anymore beneficial things, I can find stuff in the kids' interest that maybe I would normally buy them, and circle them in a catalog, or make a list with information on how to order by mail.  Perhaps then we could steer around some of the stuff.  And we can continue to donate.  It seems like a lot of work, but perhaps it will keep relations relaxed, and maybe she'll start buying more mindfully on her own..

Thank you for your ears and eyes in this rant!

I am really enjoying my latest read, Peace IS Every Step, by Thich Nhat Hanh.  It gives practical ways to be present in the moment and transform unpleasant feelings and relations.  Here's a quote having to do with communication with one's spouse:

It is in a section entitled, "Real Love", where he equates the ground of real love as being synonymous with deep understanding of the other.  Here's the quote:

"From time to time, sit close to the one you love, hold his or her hand, and ask, "Darling, do I understand you enough?  Or am I making you suffer?  Please tell me so that I can learn to love you properly.  I don't want to make you suffer, and if I do so because of my ignorance, please tell me so that I can love you better, so that you can be happy:.

Wow.

He goes on to say, "If you say this in a voice that communicates your real openness to understand, the other person may cry."

I nearly did by just reading that passage.

He goes on to conclude, "That is a good sign (crying), because it means the door of understanding is opening and everything will be possible again."

Understanding is a good thing!  I'll strive to understand Mom better...
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You're working so hard to understand your mother and find a way to allow her to express the love she wants to express in the way she probably won't stop expressing it (buying things) but still not compromise the values you're trying to install. Good for you for both being understanding AND holding your ground!

A few more random thoughts -- You could also steer her toward arts and crafts stuff at Walmart. It may be true that they don't have a lot of educational stuff in the toy aisle, but they DO usually have a big arts/crafts/office supplies section, a garden section, and other areas of the store where she could indulge the kids with things that they would really enjoy and are still "fun" -- paints, crayons, modelling clay, etc. -- but that will be more useful at the same time. You said that she wants everything to be about fun, fun, fun -- maybe if, when she visits, you planned some activities for her to do with the kids that would use items like this, she would get the idea that these things ARE fun AND educational, and she might make better choices when left to her own devices.

In places where you can set up a gift registry, too, like Walmart or Target or K-Mart or Toys-R-Us, you could register for things that you approve of and the kids would really enjoy -- that would allow her to walk in and "impulse buy" but maybe take a quick detour to the front desk to check the registry first!

Good for you for trying to understand her intentions and trying to work out a compromise. I hope it works out well!
Posted 11/22/2004 5:32 PM by uncskainch Xanga True Member Xanga Premium Member - reply

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I agree, it's so terrific that you are open to a situation that benefits both of you... and that you are willing to look for/at the deeper reasons for it on your mom's part.

That passage about real love was wonderful. The relationship between partners is such an amazing, challenging thing isn't it?

Posted 11/22/2004 11:13 PM by ChildofSophia - reply

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Wow, I missed all this. But it sounds like you are in a very good place about it. It is great that you seek to understand your mother and her behavior, instead of just judging it.
Posted 11/23/2004 6:40 AM by LikeWowMom - reply

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My mom is the same in a lot of ways. The only thing that saves me from even more clutter is the fact she has ten grandchildren who live with her! My mom's mother died when she was three. I think it's fair to say that her step-mom never approved of her at all. My mother's parents were very careful and practical with money. I don't think they ever over-indulged my mother in any way. Yet she spends and spends and seems to need to give people things. I think it's because she wants people to love her and she doesn't stop and examine herself or why she does things. Yeah, that simple.

I wonder how kids do learn about money and consumerism? My mom wasn't poor, but had frugal parents, and my father grew-up up poor and on a farm. He's worked since he was 8 years old. Neither of them grew-up with the sort of materialism they embrace today. After years of making very good money, they're are still heavily in debt and probably always will be. They spend without thinking and it doesn't seem to bother them.
Posted 11/23/2004 1:15 PM by ivyblogs - reply

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Kind of in response to ivyblogs, I think a lot of work needs to go into the receipt of the gifts....not comparing grandparents who give according to need, and those who give, give, give.  The children can understand the difference if you approach the situation just like you blogged.  Showing love does not mean giving gifts, but if not handled correctly, a child may have a hard time understanding that concept when grandparents give differently.
Posted 11/23/2004 2:08 PM by gandywhite - reply


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