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Saturday, July 22, 2006
 FIRST TESTS OF AMBER DOME!!!

Yesterday I did extensive testing of the amber dome.  They were very revealing and super exciting to see the results.  I had my molding factory do a full CTO conversion to incandescent (about 3200K).  The reason I wanted this is for the following situations (and I'm sure more will be discovered):

1) When I shot group photos in the church, mixing the flash with the rear was sometimes a struggle because when I try to "burn" in the background with ambient lighting... it was too warm in comparison with the cool flash in the front.  Changing the white balance on the camera to tungsten and shooting with a CTO conversion dome should clear that up, and reduce the weird mix-lighting ghosting you sometimes get when you accidentally drag the shutter a little too much...

2) Shooting in open shade outdoors.  Wow does that come out blue.  I wanted a warming filter to make the skin tones look better in those situations.

Well last night I got my chance.  We were outdoors in open shade when I took these two photos, both with the Lightsphere "CLOUD" and one with the amber dome and one with the regular dome.  Here's what I got:



Wow do I like the results better!  One thing also that I found - is that using the amber dome with the "clear" Lightsphere reduces the "amberness" by about a half because since the dome is clear vs. opaque, it doesn't "absorb" as much amber color as the cloud does.  This gives you a LOT of control because you can suit your warming to taste.

You may ask why I didn't just do an amber Lightsphere.  The reason is because the domes are super easy to carry and pop on and off.  I'll report more later with my tests but it sure looks great so far!
 Posted 7/22/2006 5:01 AM - 224 views - 12 comments

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Gary:

I purchased your BullZeye software so I could get true color. As much as this new color snap on dome is concerned, I could possably see this used for more of a portrait session, not a event. If you're at a event like a wedding you could just tweek those few in photoshop. It's too much bother snapping lids on and off when you're running around creating different images and shooting with different lenses. I can see forgetting to take off the colored lid when I switched lenses and loosing my shot. I do like the gel type feature, but not for a wedding or walk around event. Just my opinion.

Randy

Posted 7/22/2006 6:50 AM by Borelfoto Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - reply

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actually if you just keep the dome on for certain areas, such as last night we noticed the amber dome was GREAT for outdoor in the evening in open shade... so you could just keep the same dome on while in that area, for us it was about 2 hours. You are correct about switching all the time... I would say not switch during the ceremony,besides the lighting shouldn't change when you stay in the same location. Just like a lens though, once you start using your lenses often, you will remember what lenses you like for certain things. The colored domes will be the same, you will decide what you like the best for certain situations and then choose accordingly. (same with camera settings and ISOs)
Posted 7/22/2006 7:09 AM by missycarl - reply

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can't wait to buy them all, I like the idea. I shoot jpg so this is great, perfectly post processed.
Posted 7/22/2006 11:02 AM by scottrobert Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - reply

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Missy:

I shoot with about 6 different lenses at a wedding. When I was shooting film back in the day, this dome attachment would'nt have been such a problem. But as everyone knows with a digital camera, you are constantly having to changes settings throughout the day in different settings, from indoors to outdoors, bright sun, shade etc. It is a pain and just one more thing to worry about. I see your point when the lighting is all the same as you said in the evening when you were at your wedding that it worked really well, and that's great. I would like to test a couple of them out to see if they are really needed as I do so much already with color correction and use BullZeye and also use NIK filters so much of my work. These sound like they would be really cool to use once in a while.

Randy

Posted 7/22/2006 12:59 PM by Borelfoto Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - reply

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Isn't this a "major product"? Ask her already!
Posted 7/23/2006 6:43 AM by robinone Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - reply

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Gary I can completely see where you are coming from with this product. You cant do this easily in photoshop. Its not a case of just warming things up or down in Photoshop. Its for mixed lighting situations. Evening light is a good example. The background is in a warm light but your subject is in the shade, so its really blue. This way you can balance the shot out. Other example, your in a church or large room with warm lighting. You blast it with flash for your subject so now you have created a mixed lighting situation because your subject has cooled down but the background has no flash lighting on it so is still warm. Use the warm inverted dome and you balance it out. Its what you would do if you were lighting a movie and using Lee Filter gels on the lights for example.

The one I want to see is the black inverted dome. Now that will be really interesting!
Posted 7/23/2006 10:39 AM by stuartallen - reply

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Forgot to say. If Gary had just warmed his example up in photoshop it would have wreaked the colours in the background. What he has done though is he has warmed his glamorous models up without effecting the colour in the background. Can't do that quickly in photoshop.
Posted 7/23/2006 10:45 AM by stuartallen - reply

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Hey Stuart - the black dome wasn't a successful test initially. I'm still playing with it but pointing it straight ahead gave 100% bounce and NO direct and it looked so flat. I'm wondering if any of you know why that would be a good use - no direct light all bounce.
Posted 7/24/2006 5:41 AM by garyfong1 Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - reply

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I think this would be a great for events late in the evening when you are having to shoot more with flash. Personally, I hate shooting flash, but most venues don't have enough light to shoot natural light all the time. This would take away some of that flash look of things and make the light look more natural, at least to me. Looking forward to seeing these come out...
Posted 7/24/2006 6:33 AM by Skyarrow01 - reply

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Hi Gary. Will have to think on that one. Have you experimented with silver foil on the inside of the dome and then using it direct? Have just started myself but need to experiment more yet. Think it might work better with the clear rather than the cloud. Should spread the light out more.
Posted 7/24/2006 1:06 PM by stuartallen - reply

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Gary,

This past weekend I used some old gels from my video days and attached them over the Litespere...ok, i'm sold. the colors really packed a punch and looked really great. Your colored domes will work even better as I had to use rubber bands to hold the colored gels over your dome. It was 115 degrees out when I shot in a country setting with lots of bright sun and hills full of green pastures, the colored gels proved to work really well in the shade and the bright sun as I tried out my amber, then violet gel.

I'll buy a set as soon as you have them in your e-store.

Randy

Posted 7/24/2006 5:18 PM by Borelfoto Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - reply

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The concen I see with an amber full dome (esp full CTO, instaed of 1/4 or 1/8) Is that if the intent were to match tungsten (shoot witht the WB on camera at tungsten) then some of the white light could spill out the front before it hits the dome to get warmed up.....why not just gel the strobe at the strobe before the light gets up to bounce around? Then the light spilling out would all be warm.

I just have a peice of CTO which attaches to my strobe via velcro. I don't think people want to cary around a ton of domes. (ah, more revenue in dome sales if you made 1/4 1/2 and full cto domes)....

You could however make an adapter / holder and a 4 pack of CTO custom fit gels and still sell an acessory for the dome, but I would put it closer to the strobe than at the top.

~A
Posted 7/27/2006 10:58 PM by nollmeyer - reply


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