Friday, May 09, 2008
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Sarah 8:18

Currently Listening
Exile in Guyville
By Liz Phair
see related“Do you, like, go to church?” she asked after she took a big lick off the top of her soft-serve ice cream cone.
It was a brisk spring night in the Valley. It was late on a Thursday, and I had already gone back home to Cerritos after work. But I made the 45-minute drive back to the 818 to hang out with Sarah and, apparently, eat soft-serve ice cream in my car in the parking lot of a McDonald’s in Sherman Oaks. I probably should have stayed home considering that it was a work night and I needed to wake up at 5:30 am, but, like most unintelligent men in love (which is redundant, I suppose), I lose all sensibility whenever anyone calls and says,“I miss you.”
“Nah. Do you?”
“Not so much. My dad is Buddhist and my mom is Christian. I go to church sometimes, but I’m not hardcore or anything. I don’t quote Bible verses or anything like that.”
At this point I realized that Sarah was probably the first girl I really liked who was not hardcore religious. I’m not a religious person, but I’ve always seemed to date women who were religious and made me go to church. I once dated a girl in college who was so religious (Christian) that she believed that science was the work of the devil.She did not believe in evolution or the advancement of technology because“anything that tampers with God’s work is evil.” This struck me as hypocritical (and insanely stupid) because she was a science major, although she claimed she was only a science major because she wanted to go to medical school. I don’t really know why I went out with this girl. She wasn’t even that pretty. In retrospect, I think I kind of hated that bitch.
Sarah continued: “I just believe in whatever makes sense, you know?”
I absolutely knew. As a student taught under the discipline of science, I can’t help but think logically. Ever since my high school biology classes, and all the way through my upper division biochemistry courses and health professional school training, my mind has been groomed to think about the world in a scientific and logical sense. I can only believe in what makes sense, and if it doesn’t make sense, I have to figure it out. My entire livelihood depends on my ability to think this way.
This might not have anything to do with why I rejected the Catholic Church (or Christianity, in general), but I suspect that it does. I suppose I can believe that the Earth was created in seven days, and I suppose I can believe that God had it in forJob, and I suppose I can believe that Jesus turned water into wine. I can believe in all of that stuff in the same way that I can believe that I will one day win the lottery. I can believe that anything is possible, but in the face of science, anything isn’t probable. Jesus Christ probably did not feed 5,000 people with two loaves of bread, but I suppose it’s possible. The bottom line is that science and Christianity contradict each other. If you believe in one you can’t believe in the other. It’s just not possible to fully believe in both. And since I’m a logically thinking kind of guy, I suppose I would be on the science side. (Although I cannot logically understand why I like Avril Lavigne.)
Science is the only thing that we know to be true in the world. In fact, the whole purpose of the scientific method is to prove or disprove one hypothesis after another. Science is the truth, so why not believe in something that is true? The fact that science is the truth shouldn’t cause Christians to slit their wrists and downplay their existence. While it is true that science contradicts religion, it does not contradict the existence of God. If the human race is ever going to prove that God exists, we’re not going to do it by burning candles or going to Bible study. We’re going to do it through science.
Think about this: We already have the technology to make robots. Now, I understand that robots today aren’t too sophisticated, and they’re not as witty and cute as C-3PO and R2-D2. But, as technology advances,robots will become more highly sophisticated, independent, and self-sufficient. Keep in mind that technology advances at an exponential rate. (Fifteen years ago,did you think you would have had any idea what an iPod was? When you saw Zach Morris’ cell phone, did you ever think that you would have your Razr?) It’s very believable that one day we will create robots that are so life-like in every single way; they may even have the ability to reproduce. In the future, our technology will be so advanced that we will have the scientific knowledge to create life. And one day we will dump off two of these robots on a green planet and call them Adam and Eve and make fun of them from afar as they philosophize their existence. Does that sound too far-fetched? It really shouldn’t. We have already cloned animals, and I’m certain that a human clone is just around the corner. It’s very possible that we will create a whole new species of life. And if, one day, we do create life, this will greatly increase the likelihood that we, ourselves, were created, too, either by God or another species more advanced than us. Perhaps the only way to prove God’s existence is to do God’s work and create life. Christians will call this blasphemy, but do they believe in God or do they believe in Christianity?
Perhaps science is the true religion of God and the Universe. That makes sense to me.
And so does Sarah.
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Comments (19)
psh. stop trying to defend sarah. isn't she the girl that's been hella playing you?
on the stubject of religion and god, i wish i had something substantial to contribute to this post, but i think you've pretty much summed up everything. that, and i'm too fucking lazy to think beyond dissertation ish at the moment.
I don't know how science can be proven to be the absolute only truth when there's so many things that can't be explained by science, and in some cases, science contradicts itself. For example, science says the universe came from the Big Bang, but one of the most basic laws of science also says that matter cannot come from nothing (conservation of mass), cannot be created or destroyed. There are a lot of questions posed by evolutionary theory that can't be explained by science, either.
My opinion is that science is just a toolkit that God gives us to make better use of the stuff he's created. Your example of using robots is kind of like trying to prove that Black & Decker doesn't exist by using one of their screwdrivers to assemble another screwdriver. Where did the materials first come from?
Lots of things can make scientific sense on the surface (i.e. medical science and cellular reactions to drugs), but go much deeper than that, and you're S.O.L.. I also believe that just like we don't know everything about science right now, we don't know everything about religion, either. Anyone who claims otherwise is delusional.
Hello Rex,
I like your site that you worked hard to make simple yet elegant. I see that you are groping in the dark for the true religion. Now is a good time!
I like to write articles about God and religion on my site to help people to really get to know God, especially in these troubled times: 14 "When the good news about the kingdom has been preached all over the world and told to all nations, the end will come." (Matthew 24:14) (CEV (Luke 11:9-10) I hope you get a chance to look at them.
"In retrospect, I think I kind of hated that bitch." LOL
Science, from the Christian perspective, is the study of God's work.
yeah.. science is truth. but it's the current truth. loosely quoting phoebe: wasn't there a time when all the greatest scientists in the world thought the atom was the smallest thing in the world? and then they open it up and then all this OTHER crap comes out of it??
the only thing we can do it accept certain things as our own personal truths. and acknowledge that it may not be "Truth" afterall. miracles happen everday. but they're only "miracles" because we can't fathom the possibility of how something could have happened. because our awareness in this world is so limited. i don't think religion goes against logic, nor does it contradict science. if someone is as short-sighted to disspell even the POSSIBILITY of the validity of religion, that person is just as narrow-minded as a bible-thumping parrot who's SO SURE of everything s/he believes.
i personally don't believe in a god. but if he does exist. i think he is an indifferent god. that's what my own logic tells me. and it only tells me that because there are so many missing pieces of the puzzle. i have to use my own logic to fill in the blanks. and my logic is different from everyone else's. and there's no way of knowing that i'm right. besides that, i'm probably wrong anyway! :)
I share the same sentiments too in regards to science and religion. Although religion tries to make sense of whats going on in this world, it's hard to put your faith *no pun intended* in something that may or not be real. Praying won't help me get a certain wish nor will it make the circumstances in my life better unless I take the steps forward that are necessary to make those changes happen.
I think the beliefs that compose most religions (from pre-marital sex to abortion) are essentially, a set of ideals. If we don't meet these ideals, its like we've failed ourselves as human beings and I think thats terrible mentality to go about life in.
hey man, is this the Sarah that you've been talking about for years? but either way, as people on WoW would say, "Grats on this level, and good luck on the next one!" Cheers.
This was very interesting. One thing I would like to point out however, is that science and Christianity do not crash and burn when they meet. Rather, it seems to be logic. When Christianity and logic meet....yeah, it just doesn't make sense. That's where faith comes in, I guess. I certainly don't know. *I am so confused :(*
This was a very thought provoking post though
I feel the same way. A lot of people say science and religion contradict each other - and they do, in many senses - but there are definitely ways in which they don't. Like how God created the earth in seven days - who's to say he didn't? A day involves one full rotation of the earth. Science suggests that millions of years ago, it took thousands of years for the earth to make a complete rotation. With that in mind, it doesn't seem so impossible anymore.
I really liked your post. It was incredibly interesting.
I agree...science and religion are related to each other. I don't care what any Christian says...science itself would NOT exist if God didn't create it.
Is it possible to logically like Avril Lavigne?
I can't believe people would read this and dare say you're wrong.
Excellent post, thanks for sharing.. :)
Maybe some things aren't meant to be proved...Meant to remain a mystery. ;) You know, things like why like Avril or why you like Sarah. :)
I think it's completely possible to believe in God AND science.
There are TONS of scientific "facts" that have been shown to be wrong.
And why couldn't God have created science?