Monday, May 12, 2008

  • Looking Beyond The Same Three Issues

    From The Seattle Times:

    Young, evangelical ... for Obama?

    Seattle Times staff reporter

    Michael Dudley is the son of a preacher man.

    He's a born-again Christian with two family members in the military. He grew up in the Bible Belt, where almost everyone he knew was Republican. But this fall, he's breaking a handful of stereotypes: He plans to vote for Democrat Barack Obama.

    "I think a lot of Christians are having trouble getting behind everything the Republicans stand for," said Dudley, 20, a sophomore at Seattle Pacific University.

    Dudley's disenchantment with the GOP isn't unique among young, devoutly Christian voters. According to a September 2007 survey by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, 15 percent of white evangelicals between 18 and 29, a group traditionally a shoo-in for the GOP, say they no longer identify with the Republican Party. Older evangelicals are also questioning their traditional allegiance, but not at the same rate.

    But, Howard Dean, don't count your chickens quite yet. College-age and 20-something Christians may be leaving the GOP, but only 5 percent of young evangelicals have joined the Democrats, according to the Pew survey. The other 10 percent are wandering the political wilderness, somewhere between "independent" and "unaffiliated."

    Shane Claiborne, a Philadelphia Christian activist and author of "Jesus for President: Politics for Ordinary Radicals," has a different name for these folks: "political misfits."

    Claiborne has traveled around the country the past several years, speaking and preaching mostly to college-age Christians who are "both socially conservative and globally aware." That makes them disenchanted with both major parties, he said.

    "It's not about liberal or conservative, or Democrats or Republicans," he said. "I don't think it's a new evangelical left. ... There's a new evangelical stuck-in-the-middle."

    UW communications professor David Domke said some young evangelicals are breaking with the GOP for the same reasons many people broke from the party in the 2006 legislative elections — the unpopular war in Iraq; the Bush administration's abysmal approval ratings; or, now, because of the tanking economy.

    Others broke from the party when John McCain, who hasn't held much appeal for evangelicals in the past, became the presumptive nominee.

    The Arizona senator hasn't been a consistent foe of gay marriage, and he supports federally funded embryonic stem-cell research. James Dobson, head of the conservative Christian group Focus on the Family, announced in February that if McCain was the GOP nominee, he'd sit out the election.

    But students at a recent bipartisan political union meeting at SPU say there's something more going on with young Christians than disenchantment with McCain.

    In an informal poll of the political union, the majority supported Obama.

    "I think it's a new movement starting," said Amy Archibald, 19, a sophomore at the evangelical school. "Most of us would never blindly follow the old Christian Right anymore. James Dobson has nothing to do with us. A lot of us are taking apart the issues, and thinking, 'OK, well, [none of the candidates] fits what I'm looking for exactly.' But if you're going to vote, you've got to take your pros with your cons."

    Eugene Cho, a founder and lead pastor at Seattle's Quest Church, which caters to a predominantly under-35 crowd, urges young Christians to look beyond the two or three issues that have allowed Christians to be "manipulated by those that know the game or use it as their sole agenda."

    "While the issue of abortion — the sanctity of life — must always be a hugely important issue, we must juxtapose that with other issues that are also very important," Cho wrote in his blog on faith and politics.

    Polls have shown that young Christians aren't any less concerned about the "family values" issues that have traditionally driven Christians to the Republican camp. (In fact, a study by the Barna Group, an evangelical polling organization, shows young Christians are actually more conservative on abortion than their elders.) It's just that they're also concerned about issues such as social justice and immigration, issues traditionally associated with Democrats.

    Judy Naegeli, 25, who works at a Christian philanthropy, says easy access to information about the world via social-networking sites, YouTube and blogs is the reason her generation is more concerned with social justice.

    "It's changed our perspective. ... Each generation chooses their cause, and ours is AIDs in Africa, or poverty or social justice," she said.

    Tyler Braun, 23, a Portland seminary student who opposes abortion and gay rights, said he'll probably vote for Obama because, since he'd would like to see U.S. troops leave Iraq.

    Anika Smith, 23, who works for a think tank in Seattle, said she's concerned with the same issues, but she plans to vote for McCain:

    "I'm worried about the war and the economy and social-justice issues. But, the abortion issue is still nonnegotiable."

    Nathan Johnson, the executive director of the King County Republican Party, says he is skeptical that young, socially conservative Christians will desert the GOP this fall.

    He agrees young Christians appear to be looking beyond the two or three issues — abortion, gay rights, stem-cell research — that have made Christian voters loyal in the past. "But that doesn't mean they're no longer Republican.

    "Once the primary is over, and we get into a head-to-head contest, Obama's voting record will come to light," said Johnson, 24. "Then there will be a lot of young conservative voters who won't be able to tolerate what he's stood for in terms of abortion and other socially conservative values."

    Young evangelicals are more of a swing constituency than they've been for decades, said Andy Crouch, an editor at Christianity Today, a national evangelical magazine.

    "This could turn out to be the election where both parties realize that the evangelical vote is so hopelessly split down the middle that it's not worth courting them at all because what parties need are blocs that can be appealed to en masse," Crouch said. "Paradoxically, evangelicals would become less relevant than ever before."

    Braun, the seminary student, said he's not totally committed to any candidate yet.

    "I just keep thinking, if Jesus were alive now, he wouldn't necessarily be voting Republican," he said.

Comments (19)

  • FreeeVerse

    Okay Squeaks, you've gotta tell me (in short terms ) which candidate is gunning for what. Like, Obama - abortion, gay rights? Based on this article, I mean


    And I like the last sentence in the article.

  • FreeeVerse

    Oh wow, from black to white! All of a sudden! While I was typing the comment! Hehe.

  • trunthepaige

    "Then
    there will be a lot of young conservative voters who won't be able to
    tolerate what he's stood for in terms of abortion and other socially
    conservative values."

    I think that really says it all.

  • squeakysoul

    @FreeeVerse - To keep things simple, here's a list of Obama's positions and a list of McCain's positions.

    LOL yes I decided to change the theme back.I can't seem to decide on a theme I won't get sick of after a while.

  • squeakysoul

    @trunthepaige - When it comes to pols I am never happy. As far as the socially conservative stuff goes, I'm never happy with the Democrats. As far as economics and other issues go, I'm rarely happy with the Republicans or with conservatives. So I'm used to it. LOL. I'm just wondering what took so long for everyone else to get here.

  • Amandasbiggestfan

    I think overall, this is a good thing. It shows that more Christians are being able to make up their own mind rather than being told who to vote for. Statistically, they're undecideds, but in realistic terms, that just means they're not buying into the hype that only the Republicans can fulfill will the of God. Without going into too much of a rant, I'd just say that the will of God will be done by God, and not by a politician. A politician serves themselves first, and so it's a slippery slope to afford all the power to one party, because, they themselves are not God, but people, and people are prone to corruption under those circumstances.

  • Celestial_Rose2002

    Eh, sorry, not in a political mood right now.  Hope you forgive me for bowing out of this discussion; maybe I'll come back to it later.

  • bluemarsupial

    Actually I don't think Jesus would be voting at all in this Presidential election since he was a Jew and quite technically you need to be a US citizen to vote for President of the United States...but I follow your meaning. 

  • stargazerlillikat

    not to sure what to say other than i think this polls a small number of people at an isolated location on the west coast.  that leads me to wonder how likely the sentiments translate to those living in the center of the nation.

  • awth44

    Jesus votes Ron Paul! lol jk...


    I'm sick of both parties, and I've never enev voted before. lol

  • huginn

    @bluemarsupial - As a persecuted minority abroad, I don't think Jesus would have any trouble seeking refuge in the United States.


    After settling down, I have no doubt that Jesus could pass the citizenship test. Accounts seem to indicate that he's a smart man.


    If congress could naturalize Albert Einstein with special legislation, I'm sure they'd give Jesus Christ full consideration.

  • AliasUndercover

    I'm so sick of being lied to that I can't vote republican again.  I just can't.  I suppose I'm as socially conservative as I ever was, but it is less important to me than honesty. 


    I voted for Obama in the primary not because he stands for "change I can believe in",  I voted for him because he is different.  I'm quite sure (if he wins the nomination) he will be the same ol' same ol' and that he will ultimately disappoint.  But he's different enough that I could be wrong.  *hopes without trust*

  • Evowookiee

    "Tyler Braun, 23, a Portland seminary student who opposes abortion and gay rights, said he'll probably vote for Obama because, since he'd would like to see U.S. troops leave Iraq. "


    anyone else confused by this sentence?


    It depends on the mentality of the candidate.  Social issues are important to me, however what the candidate wants to do...do they want to make a nanny state...or do they want to let people govern themselves.


    I'm all about limited federal government.

  • LifeNeedsProtection

    I can't help but to remember Rev Wright.  I have seen Obama waffle and spin more than Hillary and it scares the crap out of me.  

  • GermanWrench

    They're just sheeple of a different color. This is why, while I call myself an emerging Christian, I don't belong to the emergent church; because they're all more concerned about "being a new kind of Christian" than actually living like Christ. And that's a problem when the media, rather than common sense, are directing an election. You don't vote for change for change's sake; you vote for change that promotes the essence of freedom and justice, and there is no justice in abortion, state-sponsored welfare, or (sorry to say it, but it's true) national health care. Show me the justice in taking from one to give to another, and I will show you a nation that has no sense of justice. Christ never once -- not a single time in any account, Biblical or secular -- advocated charity by force of an unwished yoke. Not one single time.

    Does that mean any candidate is perfect? Nnnnnnn.....no. No political Superman is going to swoop down and undo a hundred years of bad politicking and poor stewardship. But it does mean that we have a responsibility to vote for certain things (rather than against certain things). What is the one thing the Jews and Christians have always believed is greater than the law? The salvation of life. Jesus asked the Pharisees, "Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath? Which of you, having a sheep that falls into a ditch on the Sabbath will not save that sheep?" The protection of life is regarded by even the strictest observers of the law as being more precious to God than the law itself. And they knew they weren't talking about war because God routinely called upon Israel to go to war. But when it comes to abortion, what right-minded Christian can consciously vote for a man who voted against the Born-Alive Infant Protection Act? who voted against the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban? Obama has no regard for human life and is therefore not "the" Christian candidate, he is not even a Christian candidate. That doesn't mean Christians can't vote for him, but it means that those who do will have the same innocent blood on their hands that he has.

  • squeakysoul

    @GermanWrench - Either way, a voter has blood on her hands. The protection of life, as some of us see it, doesn't end with our country's border, or with birth. And as some of us see it, those of us who have voted our conscience on only one issue have been manipulated into voting, de facto, for other very immoral things with which we disagree. Maybe some people are getting tired of that. I know I sure am.

  • faerieshadow

    I voted for Obama, even though I don't agree with all of his positions. To me, it's more than just where they stand on the issues - it has to do with the ability to lead.

  • GermanWrench

    @squeakysoul - I don't think that's only how some of us see it, it's how all of us who are Christians see it. We just disagree on the application. Again, when Jesus reminded the Pharisees that the protection of life is greater than the law, they weren't talking about war, since war was commanded by God and God is the same yesterday today and forever. Clearly, they regarded the killing of a soldier as a different situation from the killing of innocent life outside the realm of war -- and THAT is something most "liberal Christians" fail to understand.

    And if you want to talk about "civilian deaths" in Iraq and Afghanistan, go for it, but I warn you that I probably have a much greater understanding of the Geneva convention's definitions of "civilian deaths" and of the US military's obligations to protect life than you have -- and than the media has.

  • Lmoisan

    I tend to vote for the person, what that person stands for, their record of voting, how that person lives etc, rather than a certain party.  I don't know who I am going to vote for yet.  I wish I knew but I do have a few months yet to make up my mind.


    Not sure how Jesus would vote. 

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